Grade II listed building, Crescent House, lol - goldenlaneestate.org2024-03-29T10:49:37Zhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/forum/topics/grade-ii-listed-building-crescent-house-lol?commentId=2323372%3AComment%3A57896&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTim, you obviously missed the…tag:goldenlane.ning.com,2017-07-09:2323372:Comment:580042017-07-09T14:13:20.660ZDavid Kreikmeierhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/profile/DavidKreikmeier
<p><strong>Tim, you obviously missed the episodes "Order Restored in Chigley" (where the Military were deployed to smash a strike by the Biscuit Factory workers against wage cuts imposed to ensure the Bankers in Trumpton didn't suffer a loss because of their own stupid and potentially fraudulent lending activities [the strike leaders were granted "clemency" and transported for life to Poggles Wood rather than publicly hung])</strong></p>
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<p><strong>and "Put…</strong></p>
<p><strong>Tim, you obviously missed the episodes "Order Restored in Chigley" (where the Military were deployed to smash a strike by the Biscuit Factory workers against wage cuts imposed to ensure the Bankers in Trumpton didn't suffer a loss because of their own stupid and potentially fraudulent lending activities [the strike leaders were granted "clemency" and transported for life to Poggles Wood rather than publicly hung])</strong></p>
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<p><strong>and "Put Back in her Place" (where a campaigning feminist, who pointed out that all key positions in Trumptonshire were held by men, disappeared after a mysterious "Unique and Historic" ceremony involving the self same men........)</strong></p>
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<p><cite>Tim Godsmark said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.goldenlaneestate.org/forum/topics/grade-ii-listed-building-crescent-house-lol?commentId=2323372%3AComment%3A58001&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2323372Comment58001"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Aagghhh I don't remember the gallows in Chigley.</div>
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</blockquote> It also highlights the appall…tag:goldenlane.ning.com,2017-07-08:2323372:Comment:577982017-07-08T23:22:06.047ZMaria Elizabeth Priorhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/profile/MariaElizabethPrior
<p>It also highlights the appalling and ignorant way some City Officers regard people with psychological illnesses! <br/><br/> <cite>Christo said:</cite></p>
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<p>It also highlights the appalling and ignorant way some City Officers regard people with psychological illnesses! <br/><br/> <cite>Christo said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.goldenlaneestate.org/forum/topics/grade-ii-listed-building-crescent-house-lol?id=2323372%3ATopic%3A57494&page=2#2323372Comment57797"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">This is a wonderfully entertaining and informative thread</div>
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</blockquote> Aagghhh I don't remember the…tag:goldenlane.ning.com,2017-07-08:2323372:Comment:580012017-07-08T14:51:58.307ZTim Godsmarkhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/profile/TimGodsmark
Aagghhh I don't remember the gallows in Chigley.
Aagghhh I don't remember the gallows in Chigley. Some of the older City Estate…tag:goldenlane.ning.com,2017-07-08:2323372:Comment:578962017-07-08T13:12:16.341ZDavid Kreikmeierhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/profile/DavidKreikmeier
<p>Some of the older City Estates (1930s/40s brick built balcony access) are generally in good condition - but frankly there is less to go wrong with them. For many years there was "City Resident's Forum" where delegates from all the City's Estate Tenant Associations etc. met regularly with City Officers.</p>
<p>This achieved some very good work - in particular we were able to show that "InSpace" (the City's then repair and maintenance contractor) had "credibility" problems across all of the…</p>
<p>Some of the older City Estates (1930s/40s brick built balcony access) are generally in good condition - but frankly there is less to go wrong with them. For many years there was "City Resident's Forum" where delegates from all the City's Estate Tenant Associations etc. met regularly with City Officers.</p>
<p>This achieved some very good work - in particular we were able to show that "InSpace" (the City's then repair and maintenance contractor) had "credibility" problems across all of the City's Estates - they were subsequently replaced.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the Forum then had the temerity to be critical about the actions of a Housing Department officer and it was literally shut down overnight.</p>
<p>GLERA tried to maintain this informally using personal contacts that had been built up over the years (e.g. Adrian from Avondale [who had been the Forum Chair], Dot from Holloway, Alistair from York Way) - however given the logistics, time individuals had to devote to it and hostility from the City it died a death.</p>
<p>It's not really in the City's interests to have Estates communicating with each other.</p>
<p>I can't remember the City officer's official job title, but her job description included such gems as "establishing meaningful liaison with all residents" and "engaging the City's tenants".......and her salary came of course from our rents.</p>
<p>Her other "innovations" included a whole string of conditions that any resident organisation was obliged to meet - minimum number of households represented at meetings, minimum numbers voting in elections, compulsory training (in your own time) for anyone who dared to sit on a Resident Committee........</p>
<p>[Funnily enough these were never imposed on Barbican Residents?]</p>
<p>GLERA met all of the conditions imposed on us but on other Estates it proved too much.</p>
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<p>Interestingly she was also the last appointee (as far as I am aware) to have had tenant representation on her interview panel - yes, amazingly, under pressure from tenants, the City once led the way on actual resident involvement.</p>
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<p>It also marked the point for many of us where the City moved fro being the slightly quaint and paternalistic TRUMPTON of our childhood, where things moved forward (albeit slowly), everyone had their say and it all came right in the end</p>
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<p>to the feudalistic and fa more sinister CHIGLEY - where you WILL listen to the Factory Owners band in the Park at 6.00pm whether you want to or not</p>
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<p>OR THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES!</p>
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<p></p> Hi Sue,
I have been taking so…tag:goldenlane.ning.com,2017-07-08:2323372:Comment:580002017-07-08T13:08:58.477ZTim Godsmarkhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/profile/TimGodsmark
Hi Sue,<br />
I have been taking some photos as I walk round the Estate. I will email them to you.<br />
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Hi Sue,<br />
I have been taking some photos as I walk round the Estate. I will email them to you.<br />
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Tim The shocking fact to emerge f…tag:goldenlane.ning.com,2017-07-08:2323372:Comment:579972017-07-08T08:03:56.617ZTim Godsmarkhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/profile/TimGodsmark
The shocking fact to emerge from the fire safety report is that entrance doors to flats are only offering 15 to 20 Minutes protection when the advice has been to stay in your flat if a fire breaks out elsewhere in the block.<br />
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I don't think that listed buildings status is an excuse to avoid maintenance as building owners have a legal duty to maintain listed buildings. Grade 11* status would men that we could get Historic England to take an interest. It might not produce results but in my view is…
The shocking fact to emerge from the fire safety report is that entrance doors to flats are only offering 15 to 20 Minutes protection when the advice has been to stay in your flat if a fire breaks out elsewhere in the block.<br />
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I don't think that listed buildings status is an excuse to avoid maintenance as building owners have a legal duty to maintain listed buildings. Grade 11* status would men that we could get Historic England to take an interest. It might not produce results but in my view is worth a try.<br />
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Does anyone know of maintenance standards on other City estates? It would interesting to see if this was a Citywide problem. Yes Crescent House is, and ju…tag:goldenlane.ning.com,2017-07-04:2323372:Comment:576332017-07-04T21:20:57.300ZMaria Elizabeth Priorhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/profile/MariaElizabethPrior
<p>Yes Crescent House is, and just look at the state of it! I think David was referring to the idea where the whole of the Estate was upgraded.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>denzil said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.goldenlaneestate.org/forum/topics/grade-ii-listed-building-crescent-house-lol#2323372Comment57528"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Crescent house is Grade 2* already <br></br> <br></br> <cite>David Kreikmeier said:…</cite></p>
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<p>Yes Crescent House is, and just look at the state of it! I think David was referring to the idea where the whole of the Estate was upgraded.<br/> <br/> <cite>denzil said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.goldenlaneestate.org/forum/topics/grade-ii-listed-building-crescent-house-lol#2323372Comment57528"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Crescent house is Grade 2* already <br/> <br/> <cite>David Kreikmeier said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://goldenlane.ning.com/forum/topics/grade-ii-listed-building-crescent-house-lol#2323372Comment57701"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><strong>Well Housing Department Officers are already lining up "Listed Status" as an argument why they can't possibly do anything about fire safety and protecting our lives and homes (see copy of the Emergency Report the Housing Committee will be discussing on Monday).</strong></p>
<p><b>TERRIFYINGLY</b><strong>, I understand some Leaseholders are now trying to get the status upgraded to 2* - </strong><strong>"It will make them carry out repairs" is apparently the idea - errrrr, yes just like being Grade 2 has?</strong></p>
<p><strong>The City's spent the last 20 odd years using listed status as a reason for doing nothing but suddenly they'll change when it becomes 2*?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Like the comment about second marriages this "The triumph of hope over experience!"</strong></p>
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</blockquote> Crescent house is Grade 2* al…tag:goldenlane.ning.com,2017-07-04:2323372:Comment:575282017-07-04T19:01:35.302Zdenzilhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/profile/ralph
<p>Crescent house is Grade 2* already <br></br> <br></br> <cite>David Kreikmeier said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://goldenlane.ning.com/forum/topics/grade-ii-listed-building-crescent-house-lol#2323372Comment57701"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><strong>Well Housing Department Officers are already lining up "Listed Status" as an argument why they can't possibly do anything about fire safety and protecting our lives and homes (see copy of the Emergency Report the Housing Committee will be…</strong></p>
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<p>Crescent house is Grade 2* already <br/> <br/> <cite>David Kreikmeier said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://goldenlane.ning.com/forum/topics/grade-ii-listed-building-crescent-house-lol#2323372Comment57701"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><strong>Well Housing Department Officers are already lining up "Listed Status" as an argument why they can't possibly do anything about fire safety and protecting our lives and homes (see copy of the Emergency Report the Housing Committee will be discussing on Monday).</strong></p>
<p><b>TERRIFYINGLY</b><strong>, I understand some Leaseholders are now trying to get the status upgraded to 2* - </strong><strong>"It will make them carry out repairs" is apparently the idea - errrrr, yes just like being Grade 2 has?</strong></p>
<p><strong>The City's spent the last 20 odd years using listed status as a reason for doing nothing but suddenly they'll change when it becomes 2*?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Like the comment about second marriages this "The triumph of hope over experience!"</strong></p>
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</blockquote> It's very frustrating, for tw…tag:goldenlane.ning.com,2017-07-04:2323372:Comment:575242017-07-04T11:39:53.550ZDamien Vaughhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/profile/DamienVaugh
It's very frustrating, for two years i have battled for better fire safety. Each time we made some progress, plans were made, inspections carried out and not much to show for it in the end. I was working with Henry Jones Cc and John Fletcher CC who were also concerned. Recently things have improved and they removed these stacks of wooded pallets that were dumped in the carpark under our block . Send John the photos and he will do his best.
It's very frustrating, for two years i have battled for better fire safety. Each time we made some progress, plans were made, inspections carried out and not much to show for it in the end. I was working with Henry Jones Cc and John Fletcher CC who were also concerned. Recently things have improved and they removed these stacks of wooded pallets that were dumped in the carpark under our block . Send John the photos and he will do his best. Of course you have my permis…tag:goldenlane.ning.com,2017-07-03:2323372:Comment:577272017-07-03T22:39:18.429Znathanhttps://goldenlane.ning.com/profile/nathan
<p><br></br> Of course you have my permission to use the photos, these issues have not developed over night, this is long term dereliction of duty and neglect.</p>
<p>On the top floor of Crescent house a sizable amount of the woodwork is rotten, and a great many of the flat roofs leak and have done for years, the repairs have been ignored or bodged for so long that the cost to put it all right is depressing, not to mention the effect it has on a lot of people's moral having to look at it day in…</p>
<p><br/> Of course you have my permission to use the photos, these issues have not developed over night, this is long term dereliction of duty and neglect.</p>
<p>On the top floor of Crescent house a sizable amount of the woodwork is rotten, and a great many of the flat roofs leak and have done for years, the repairs have been ignored or bodged for so long that the cost to put it all right is depressing, not to mention the effect it has on a lot of people's moral having to look at it day in day out.</p>
<p>I find it <span>incredulous</span> that the all the blocks on this estate bar GAH have passed the decent homes standard for thermal comfort, as the temperatures on the top floor east facing in Crescent House do not meet these standards, the condensation, damp, leaking roof and ice on the inside of the windows just add to to the frustration with the Corp and the failure to recognise any issue never mind keep the place in a decent state of repair. All that seems to appear are schedules of works, five year plans, consultancies, feasibility studies etc, lots of hot air and gas and no actual action.</p>
<p>Fire safety seems to be an obsession with plant pots sizes, heights of plants, and colour of door mats , meanwhile on the first and second floors of Crescent house were the the corridors are fully internal there are no fire doors fitted to the properties to contain any outbreak inside an individual property, I maybe wrong but I thought these were basic fire regs.</p>
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<p><cite>Sue Pearson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.goldenlaneestate.org/forum/topics/grade-ii-listed-building-crescent-house-lol#2323372Comment57521"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Nathan, I have been showing Members around the estate and all are shocked by the condition. John Fletcher has suggested I send a photographic record to all Common councilmen so may I please use your photos and if anyone else can send me any taken in the last couple of months. I have a number but I think I'm so used to seeing it I don't always notice anymore.<br/> The City is about to carry out a condition survey of all its housing stock, and a surveyor will be visiting every tenanted flat. I will let you know when this is happening, as they may not, and ask that everyone makes sure they show them cracks,damp,mould,rot and any other problems. As the survey is visual I want to be sure that they see everything.</div>
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